Bob Elliott from Unlimited Funds got interviewed by Brad Roth from Thor Financial which was posted at ETF.com. Bob has a fascinating background, he worked at Bridgewater for a long time and then started Unlimited a few years ago. Unlimited is up to four funds now and all of them offer some version of hedge fund replication. HFND is the original, HFMF is 2x managed futures, HFGM is 2x global macro and HFEQ is 2x long/short. What 2x means in this case is twice the volatility which might equate to twice the return but not necessarily. Part of the idea with these is that many liquid alts aren't volatile enough.
With his background, Bob should be a great must listen but this interview was the best one I've heard for extracting useful tidbits.
First, lets test drive 2x managed futures. In the interview, they talked about an allocation of 50/30/20 to replace 60/40 where the 20 goes into alts.
For quite a while, the managed futures didn't really help much as the teens was a bad decade for managed futures. That struggle didn't really hold back relative returns though. Then in 2022, the managed futures did help both Portfolios 1 and 2. The early lag for Portfolio 1 is from having only 50% in the S&P 500 versus the other two having 60%. If you like the idea of 50/30/20, saying the obvious, you have less in stocks than in a 60/40 portfolio and stocks are the thing that go up the most, most of the time.
They talked about HFND, Bob's first fund, being something of a fixed income proxy (my words).
Some clients own BALT as a fixed income substitute. The chart is interesting. Going back to QAI's inception, that fund has not done well but that might be a function of rates that were at 0%-1% for a long time. Now that rates are higher, that fund is doing better. I am surprised to see QAI ahead of HFND.
The motivation to use these liquid alts is to make portfolios more robust, the pursuit of robustness. Robustness does not mean perfection which I think is a great point.
The most interesting idea they talked about was that once you find robustness, you're not going to improve much from there. Basically don't mess with it because you'll get either diminishing returns or end up with something that's not as good.
Interesting, what do you think about that idea? I disagree in terms of there are countless defensive tools available today that were not available when the Financial Crisis started in 2007 for example. Then fast forward to the crisis (small c for this one) for bonds with duration starting in late 2021. If the multi-decade, one way trade in bonds had ended in 2010 instead of 2021, there would have been far fewer fixed income substitutes to use instead of TLT and AGG.
From my time at Fisher in 2002, they used the term capital markets technology which is what we're talking about. Buffer funds (no matter what anyone thinks of them) are an innovation, a new form of portfolio technology. When I bought RYMFX in 2007, it was literally the only managed futures fund. How often to I mention client/personal holding BTAL? BTAL didn't start until 2012. A few days ago we quoted Shana Sissel from Banrion saying that BTAL and managed futures are the most important diversifiers.
All of this innovation has meant needing to sell less for defense than I did in 2007/2008. In terms of process evolving, I would rather offset downside with diversifiers than just straight up sell. It's much easier to get it wrong by reducing exposure selling down equities versus adding more negatively correlated funds.
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